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		<title>By: May</title>
		<link>http://www.krisispraxis.com/archives/2009/11/allah-is-not-a-definite-name/comment-page-1/#comment-21133</link>
		<dc:creator>May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read with interest which slowly turned to dissapointment as the discussion between Kam weng and cosmic boy turned from literary to personal. 
The tone of discussion is not doing our God much fame. 
I believe all discussions should be conducted in kindness and loving correction. Exchanging bitter personal criticisms is an act we should rise above in order to truly shine as His disicples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read with interest which slowly turned to dissapointment as the discussion between Kam weng and cosmic boy turned from literary to personal.<br />
The tone of discussion is not doing our God much fame.<br />
I believe all discussions should be conducted in kindness and loving correction. Exchanging bitter personal criticisms is an act we should rise above in order to truly shine as His disicples.</p>
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		<title>By: EGO EIMI</title>
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		<dc:creator>EGO EIMI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Kam weng,

I doubt that you are doctrate......... Your writing shows that you are fool enough.

So many people in the Bible are using the word &#039;I am&#039; (&quot;EGO EIMI&quot; in koine Greek), for example Sarah, she says, &#039;Shall I indeed bear a child, when &lt;b&gt;I am&lt;/b&gt; so old?&#039; (Genesis 18:13), question, did she  commits blasphemy?

How about Abraham? Read this:

[ The Offering of Isaac ] Now it came about after these things, that God tested Abraham, and said to him, &quot; Abraham!&quot; And he said, &quot;Here &lt;b&gt;I am&lt;/b&gt;.&quot; (Genesis 22:1)

Abraham too commits blasphemy?????

Beside these 2 figures, there are so many others are using the same word, &#039;EGO EIMI&#039; and Kam Weng said they are committed blasphemies: 

&lt;b&gt;Esau&lt;/b&gt; (Genesis 25:32), &lt;b&gt;Jacob&lt;/b&gt; (Genesis 27:11), &lt;b&gt;Isaac&lt;/b&gt; (Genesis 27:32), &lt;b&gt;Joseph&lt;/b&gt; (Genesis 45:3), &lt;b&gt;Moses&lt;/b&gt; (Exodus 3:11, 6:12), they are blasphermous?

And if &#039;EGO EIMI&#039; reflects God, so you have to take &lt;b&gt;Pontius Pilate&lt;/b&gt; as &#039;God&#039; as well when he said &#039;EGO EIMI&#039; in (Matthew 27:24)?

Remember this! Exodus never use the word &#039;EGO EIMI&#039; as &quot;I AM&quot; but Greek word &quot;hO ON&quot;, (pls refer to LXX), therefore the word &quot;EGO EIMI&quot; in John 8:58 does not have any connection with &quot;I AM&quot; in Exodus, otherwise the scribe/grammarian will use the same to word to reflect the same, but no! Christians are bias on this, they will try everything to upgare Jesus as God.....start from the council of Nicea onward you are creating your own God.......&lt;b&gt;would you be saved?&lt;/b&gt;

BTW, &quot;EGO EIMI OU COSMICBOY&quot; (in Greek - translate &quot;I AM not a COSMICBOY&quot;), once again you make fool of yourself!

Comment from Kam Weng
To read my response read the following post 
http://www.krisispraxis.com/archives/2009/11/rejoinder-allah-is-not-a-personal-name-more-evidence-needed-not-mere-assertions/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Kam weng,</p>
<p>I doubt that you are doctrate&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; Your writing shows that you are fool enough.</p>
<p>So many people in the Bible are using the word &#8216;I am&#8217; (&#8220;EGO EIMI&#8221; in koine Greek), for example Sarah, she says, &#8216;Shall I indeed bear a child, when <b>I am</b> so old?&#8217; (Genesis 18:13), question, did she  commits blasphemy?</p>
<p>How about Abraham? Read this:</p>
<p>[ The Offering of Isaac ] Now it came about after these things, that God tested Abraham, and said to him, &#8221; Abraham!&#8221; And he said, &#8220;Here <b>I am</b>.&#8221; (Genesis 22:1)</p>
<p>Abraham too commits blasphemy?????</p>
<p>Beside these 2 figures, there are so many others are using the same word, &#8216;EGO EIMI&#8217; and Kam Weng said they are committed blasphemies: </p>
<p><b>Esau</b> (Genesis 25:32), <b>Jacob</b> (Genesis 27:11), <b>Isaac</b> (Genesis 27:32), <b>Joseph</b> (Genesis 45:3), <b>Moses</b> (Exodus 3:11, 6:12), they are blasphermous?</p>
<p>And if &#8216;EGO EIMI&#8217; reflects God, so you have to take <b>Pontius Pilate</b> as &#8216;God&#8217; as well when he said &#8216;EGO EIMI&#8217; in (Matthew 27:24)?</p>
<p>Remember this! Exodus never use the word &#8216;EGO EIMI&#8217; as &#8220;I AM&#8221; but Greek word &#8220;hO ON&#8221;, (pls refer to LXX), therefore the word &#8220;EGO EIMI&#8221; in John 8:58 does not have any connection with &#8220;I AM&#8221; in Exodus, otherwise the scribe/grammarian will use the same to word to reflect the same, but no! Christians are bias on this, they will try everything to upgare Jesus as God&#8230;..start from the council of Nicea onward you are creating your own God&#8230;&#8230;.<b>would you be saved?</b></p>
<p>BTW, &#8220;EGO EIMI OU COSMICBOY&#8221; (in Greek &#8211; translate &#8220;I AM not a COSMICBOY&#8221;), once again you make fool of yourself!</p>
<p>Comment from Kam Weng<br />
To read my response read the following post<br />
<a href="http://www.krisispraxis.com/archives/2009/11/rejoinder-allah-is-not-a-personal-name-more-evidence-needed-not-mere-assertions/" rel="nofollow">http://www.krisispraxis.com/archives/2009/11/rejoinder-allah-is-not-a-personal-name-more-evidence-needed-not-mere-assertions/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kam Weng</title>
		<link>http://www.krisispraxis.com/archives/2009/11/allah-is-not-a-definite-name/comment-page-1/#comment-16334</link>
		<dc:creator>Kam Weng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have posted my response to Cosmic Boy alias Ego Eimi at the following post - http://www.krisispraxis.com/archives/2009/11/rejoinder-allah-is-not-a-personal-name-more-evidence-needed-not-mere-assertions/

Really their comments is not much worth responding, but I have used to occasion to offer more historical evidence to those interested to do more research in this issue

A quick technical check shows that Cosmic Boy and Ego Eimi is the same person – how interesting.

By the way, anyone who uses the name ego eimi as a self-designation commits blasphemy. Exodus 3:14 and some verses from Isaiah, like 45:22 show how stupendous Jesus Christ’s claim was in John 8:58. The hostile Jews would not believe that Jesus was God. For them, Jesus was committing blasphemy when he used the word ego eimi. They naturally sought to stone Jesus. You can see the connection clearly from the Greek text of the Septuagint. Is Cosmic Boy etc acting out of sheer ignorance or deliberate blasphemy? I can tolerate provocative rudeness, but blasphemy?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have posted my response to Cosmic Boy alias Ego Eimi at the following post &#8211; <a href="http://www.krisispraxis.com/archives/2009/11/rejoinder-allah-is-not-a-personal-name-more-evidence-needed-not-mere-assertions/" rel="nofollow">http://www.krisispraxis.com/archives/2009/11/rejoinder-allah-is-not-a-personal-name-more-evidence-needed-not-mere-assertions/</a></p>
<p>Really their comments is not much worth responding, but I have used to occasion to offer more historical evidence to those interested to do more research in this issue</p>
<p>A quick technical check shows that Cosmic Boy and Ego Eimi is the same person – how interesting.</p>
<p>By the way, anyone who uses the name ego eimi as a self-designation commits blasphemy. Exodus 3:14 and some verses from Isaiah, like 45:22 show how stupendous Jesus Christ’s claim was in John 8:58. The hostile Jews would not believe that Jesus was God. For them, Jesus was committing blasphemy when he used the word ego eimi. They naturally sought to stone Jesus. You can see the connection clearly from the Greek text of the Septuagint. Is Cosmic Boy etc acting out of sheer ignorance or deliberate blasphemy? I can tolerate provocative rudeness, but blasphemy?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Krisis &#38; Praxis &#187; Rejoinder &#8211; Allah is Not a Personal Name: More Evidence Needed, Not Mere Assertions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krisis &#38; Praxis &#187; Rejoinder &#8211; Allah is Not a Personal Name: More Evidence Needed, Not Mere Assertions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in response to some comments on the article “ Allah is not a Personal Name LINK I have decided to post my own rejoinder as a full post: Further comment on use of allah I am not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in response to some comments on the article “ Allah is not a Personal Name LINK I have decided to post my own rejoinder as a full post: Further comment on use of allah I am not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: EGO EIMI</title>
		<link>http://www.krisispraxis.com/archives/2009/11/allah-is-not-a-definite-name/comment-page-1/#comment-16320</link>
		<dc:creator>EGO EIMI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But why only now Christians are really serious to search for the name of God? You did have about 600 years before the incoming of Muhammad (after Jesus onward till Muhammad) to utilise this word - &#039;Allah&#039; as god, but why only after Muhammad has declared Allah as the personal name of God then you start to demand that name? Where is your pride?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But why only now Christians are really serious to search for the name of God? You did have about 600 years before the incoming of Muhammad (after Jesus onward till Muhammad) to utilise this word &#8211; &#8216;Allah&#8217; as god, but why only after Muhammad has declared Allah as the personal name of God then you start to demand that name? Where is your pride?</p>
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		<title>By: Kam Weng</title>
		<link>http://www.krisispraxis.com/archives/2009/11/allah-is-not-a-definite-name/comment-page-1/#comment-16253</link>
		<dc:creator>Kam Weng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cosmic Boy is confused about the words el and elohim and allah

At its simplest el is just the singular word description for God, while elohim is the plural form of el. Both of these words are general words (in contrast to YHWH which is the one and only personal name of the covenant God of Israel.

Of course given the plural ending of elohim - it can also refer generically to the &#039;gods outside Israel, if the context evidently refers to these &#039;gods&#039;.

But elohim in the Hebrew scriptures also takes a singular verb.

This plural form that operates as a single subject is most enlightening. Some Christians see this grammatical peculiarity as an anticipation of the later fuller revelation of the Trinity

Other Hebrew grammarians are more modest and view the grammatical construction as referring to a &quot;plural of majesty.&quot;  GKC (Gesenius, Cowley and Kautzsch) Hebrew Grammar, the authoritative grammar on Hebrew calls it a &quot;plural of deliberation&quot;. Lastly, Bruce Walke and O&#039;Connor in their Hebrew textbook, Introd to Biblical Syntax describe elohim 2500X as plural of honorific distinction or intensification

From this little comment it can be seen that Cosmic Boy has missed the fundamental principle of lexicography which is that the meaning of a word is it&#039;s immediate syntax (usage) rather than etymology and it is not just a simple correlation that his article seems to suggests.

Having gotten his premises on the Hebrew words of el and elohim wrong it is natural Cosmic Boy&#039;s discussion of the link Allah and el, elohim and eloah, remains unclear, if not confused (until he cites relevant linguistic references)

I shall only give some short (incomplete) citations from some standard Hebrew lexicons which should be self-explanatory.

A. TWOT (Theological Wordbook Old Testament by Harris, Archer and Walke)- Brief entry

el noun common masculine singular absolute homonym 5   
elohim noun common masculine plural absolute 
 
0093elh (elh) Assumed root of the following.
(93a) el  god, God. 
(93b) eloah god, God. 
(93c) elohim gods, God. 




B. From William Holladay, A Concise Hebrew Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament - based on the most authoritative modern Hebrew Lexicon HALOT - Koehler, Baumgartner and Stamm&#039;s The Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament

el  noun common masculine singular absolute homonym 5   
Hol436 el 
V el: sf. elae (11 ×); pl. elim Ex 15:11
1. distinct from Yahweh.: a) the high god El Ez 28:2, kôk bê el Isaiah14:13 el elyon Gn 14:18-22; b) pl. gods (subordinate to Y.) Ex 15:11, bene elim Ps 291


elohim  noun common masculine plural absolute
Hol454  H;Ala/ 
1. a God/god Psa 18:32, kœl-eloah any god Dn 11:37, lo eloah non-god(s) Dt 32:17; — 2. the true God Jb 3:4.


1. gods, kol elohe misrayim  Ex 12:12, °lohe ha elohim God of gods Dt 10:17, elohim aherim(64 aher beneha elohim Gn 6:2 sons of the gods (oth.: sons of God) Jb 16:21 387, †, cf. bene elim — 2. as a sg.: God, Deity; a) fm. the form, occasionally construed as pl., hitu elohîm Gn 20:13, °elohîm hayyîm living God Dt 5:23; b) construed as sg., yhwh hû° ha elohîm it is Y. who is God Dt 4:35; occurs both w. &amp; w/o def. art. w/o difference of mng.; euphony &amp; free choice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cosmic Boy is confused about the words el and elohim and allah</p>
<p>At its simplest el is just the singular word description for God, while elohim is the plural form of el. Both of these words are general words (in contrast to YHWH which is the one and only personal name of the covenant God of Israel.</p>
<p>Of course given the plural ending of elohim &#8211; it can also refer generically to the &#8216;gods outside Israel, if the context evidently refers to these &#8216;gods&#8217;.</p>
<p>But elohim in the Hebrew scriptures also takes a singular verb.</p>
<p>This plural form that operates as a single subject is most enlightening. Some Christians see this grammatical peculiarity as an anticipation of the later fuller revelation of the Trinity</p>
<p>Other Hebrew grammarians are more modest and view the grammatical construction as referring to a &#8220;plural of majesty.&#8221;  GKC (Gesenius, Cowley and Kautzsch) Hebrew Grammar, the authoritative grammar on Hebrew calls it a &#8220;plural of deliberation&#8221;. Lastly, Bruce Walke and O&#8217;Connor in their Hebrew textbook, Introd to Biblical Syntax describe elohim 2500X as plural of honorific distinction or intensification</p>
<p>From this little comment it can be seen that Cosmic Boy has missed the fundamental principle of lexicography which is that the meaning of a word is it&#8217;s immediate syntax (usage) rather than etymology and it is not just a simple correlation that his article seems to suggests.</p>
<p>Having gotten his premises on the Hebrew words of el and elohim wrong it is natural Cosmic Boy&#8217;s discussion of the link Allah and el, elohim and eloah, remains unclear, if not confused (until he cites relevant linguistic references)</p>
<p>I shall only give some short (incomplete) citations from some standard Hebrew lexicons which should be self-explanatory.</p>
<p>A. TWOT (Theological Wordbook Old Testament by Harris, Archer and Walke)- Brief entry</p>
<p>el noun common masculine singular absolute homonym 5<br />
elohim noun common masculine plural absolute </p>
<p>0093elh (elh) Assumed root of the following.<br />
(93a) el  god, God.<br />
(93b) eloah god, God.<br />
(93c) elohim gods, God. </p>
<p>B. From William Holladay, A Concise Hebrew Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament &#8211; based on the most authoritative modern Hebrew Lexicon HALOT &#8211; Koehler, Baumgartner and Stamm&#8217;s The Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament</p>
<p>el  noun common masculine singular absolute homonym 5<br />
Hol436 el<br />
V el: sf. elae (11 ×); pl. elim Ex 15:11<br />
1. distinct from Yahweh.: a) the high god El Ez 28:2, kôk bê el Isaiah14:13 el elyon Gn 14:18-22; b) pl. gods (subordinate to Y.) Ex 15:11, bene elim Ps 291</p>
<p>elohim  noun common masculine plural absolute<br />
Hol454  H;Ala/<br />
1. a God/god Psa 18:32, kœl-eloah any god Dn 11:37, lo eloah non-god(s) Dt 32:17; — 2. the true God Jb 3:4.</p>
<p>1. gods, kol elohe misrayim  Ex 12:12, °lohe ha elohim God of gods Dt 10:17, elohim aherim(64 aher beneha elohim Gn 6:2 sons of the gods (oth.: sons of God) Jb 16:21 387, †, cf. bene elim — 2. as a sg.: God, Deity; a) fm. the form, occasionally construed as pl., hitu elohîm Gn 20:13, °elohîm hayyîm living God Dt 5:23; b) construed as sg., yhwh hû° ha elohîm it is Y. who is God Dt 4:35; occurs both w. &#038; w/o def. art. w/o difference of mng.; euphony &#038; free choice?</p>
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		<title>By: EGO EIMI</title>
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		<dc:creator>EGO EIMI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;well done cosmic boy! well done!&lt;/b&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: CosmicBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>CosmicBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good artikel but not entirely correct.

Allah is both, a personal dan a generic name.

Allah come from the Hebrew word, El, Elohim dan Eloah.

El is one of the earlies personal nama of God in the OT (another is YHWH but the usesage of YHWH is more popular). El means the true, only God. El is translated as Allah. So, Allah/El in the OT can also mean Allah yg sejati, satu2-Nya Allah.

Elohim and Eloah is a generic name. It is translated as Allah aslo. 

So, you see, Allah when it mean El, Allah is a personal name but when it mean Elohim dan Eloah, it is just a generic name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good artikel but not entirely correct.</p>
<p>Allah is both, a personal dan a generic name.</p>
<p>Allah come from the Hebrew word, El, Elohim dan Eloah.</p>
<p>El is one of the earlies personal nama of God in the OT (another is YHWH but the usesage of YHWH is more popular). El means the true, only God. El is translated as Allah. So, Allah/El in the OT can also mean Allah yg sejati, satu2-Nya Allah.</p>
<p>Elohim and Eloah is a generic name. It is translated as Allah aslo. </p>
<p>So, you see, Allah when it mean El, Allah is a personal name but when it mean Elohim dan Eloah, it is just a generic name.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Goh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine Goh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent article on this issue.  Dr Ng is certainly instrumental in guiding all Malaysians, not just Christians, to reason a way out from semantics.  I had just posted a short note on my blog regarding similar issue few days ago, in Mandarin.  Am certainly illuminated further by yours.  Thanks.  Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent article on this issue.  Dr Ng is certainly instrumental in guiding all Malaysians, not just Christians, to reason a way out from semantics.  I had just posted a short note on my blog regarding similar issue few days ago, in Mandarin.  Am certainly illuminated further by yours.  Thanks.  Keep up the good work!</p>
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